The Vision Maker Podcast
The Vision Maker Podcast
Reel Success: One Year Strong with Victor Miranda
Have you ever wondered about the beautiful art of filmmaking and how it correlates with the powerful discipline of martial arts? We had an incredible conversation with Victor Miranda, the CEO of Vision Maker, who walks us through his fascinating journey into this world. Victor takes us behind the curtain of his production company, revealing the essence of his leadership style and the importance of communication, transparency, and teamwork in building a successful enterprise.
We ventured into the heart of human nature, exploring how self-development and understanding others' perspectives can shape us as filmmakers and business people. Victor shared insights on his martial arts discipline and how its principles can be implemented in filmmaking, proving how integral it is to be a proficient vision maker. Besides that, we took a deep dive into the difference between videographers and cinematographers, a distinction that can greatly impact the quality of your work.
As we neared the conclusion of our enlightening chat, we underscored the significance of investing in your craft, and the role of self-education in the dynamic world of filmmaking. Victor shared nuggets of wisdom on the importance of keeping abreast with the latest tech and investing in quality equipment. We also touched upon the indispensable basics of lighting and audio, the need for recording redundancy, and the role of humility in this industry. Lastly, we extended our genuine appreciation to all the moms out there for their unwavering support, and ended the podcast with a heartfelt wish for peace and goodnight. Join us for this captivating exploration into the world of filmmaking and leadership with Victor Miranda.
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Hey guys, welcome to the Vision Maker podcast with your special host, me, Derlis Chavarria, and a special guest, Victor Miranda. Victor, tell us about yourself and how you became the Vision Maker CEO, as well as the owners of the last year. I don't know. Go ahead, go ahead, oh man yeah.
Victor Miranda:I think I'm about to lose my hosting privileges. So I'm Victor Miranda. Yes, I am the owner of Vision Maker Productions, a production company out here in Hamptons and Long Island, new York, and we do mostly commercial videography, but we also have a studio and we have this podcast, of course, where we love talking with other creators and filmmakers. And yeah, no, I am as interesting being on the opposite side of the sea with my very good friend and partner.
Derlis A Chavarria:Thank you, Thank you, thank you, you're making me blush over here. So, vic, you know the people want to know what does it take to be a Vision Maker?
Victor Miranda:The premise of the name really came from, just like creating other people's visions, making them come true. I cannot take care of it for that, as Eric Casey actually boldly came up with the name. Good job, eric, yeah, and. But I love it and I feel like it really goes into our, like my, mission statement. We're helping others and for me I mean Vision Maker has been around since the turn of the pandemic, really since I made that pivot into videography and I was. It was not a full time thing at all, as most of us you know. It's like when you're starting out, you're not making much money, you're just kind of learning it. You dive in the deep end. I have no educational background.
Victor Miranda:Because you were an audio guy before this, an audio engineer for 10 years, yeah, doing live events and then, as you probably have heard, different antidotes, but yeah, no, but then, but the thing was is just finding a good team and then understanding though, you know you, you may go quick on your own, but there's your cap by yourself, you know.
Victor Miranda:But you can go far with others is a good quote that I've heard, and but it really encompasses that, because what really like projected this more than any other thing I've done in my life was that I quickly found a group of people that I can work with, and people who are talented but may not have the connections or the business or the sales side of things, but they had the talent, the technical expertise.
Victor Miranda:So I kind of like saw myself as the position where I can leverage that, like I can bring people and then you, and then have them leverage your techniques so they can get the work they need, because that's where they struggle is getting the clients, and the clients can still get quality work. But then it was just, you know, working hard year, year we started working together and different things, and I had my, my full time job outside of this right, you know, and and just building it up until eventually we got the the right clientele that justified me leaving my nine to five to be fully working and dedicated to our clients. Just to the point where it was like, okay, if I'm going to take on this specific client, or just like I need to be full time in it.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah. So now we'll qualify somebody then in your eyes to be like yo, that person you would want in an employee or a fellow worker.
Victor Miranda:I think and I think this rings true in any industry People will always rehire people they enjoyed working with. You know it's a yes, if the person is enjoyable to be around, but they have no idea what they're doing. It's nice, but they're also not getting rehired. It's like there's a certain level of competency, of course, but I don't think that's like the most rare thing to find.
Victor Miranda:It's more of like are you able to work in a team, are you able to collaborate, are you able to take your responsibility and own it and are you able to really be a partner in whatever you're doing, or like a valuable asset? So it's like people we work with the most are the people. I feel that like I can set them on a task and I don't really have to babysit them. At the same time, I also know that like we at least have a mutual understanding, like I can work with them really well and I don't have to also babysit them around the client, because they also have that like certain level of buffer and respect to how the relationship is, and that looks different for everybody, but I think it's definitely like being able to. Can you work with people? You know you have that attitude and everything.
Derlis A Chavarria:And communicate with them.
Victor Miranda:Communication, communication, communication, transparency, transparency. Don't like try to be like I got this when you really have no idea and you're just like the fire is growing right behind you and you're trying to hide it, like no, let me know. Like or whoever it is. And just because it's like most of the time, like for me, I just like I want to put the fire out as soon as possible. We're here working together. I'm not going to judge you or it didn't mean you. I'm not your parent, right, you know, yeah. So there's a quote I just thought of when you were saying that that I love, from John Maxwell, a great author, speaker, and he in one of his books I remember reading everything rises and falls on leadership, everything.
Victor Miranda:At the end of the day, when you are a business owner, a team lead or whatever you know, or even a parent, you know it's like the people in your command are your responsibility and the client. You're the direct point with the client. So it's anything that happens, it's on you, regardless. If it's your fault at all, it's on you, you know right, because it happened under your supervision. Seriously, you know, be whatever the actual nuances and everything like that, but it's a big part about like actually being able to be a real leader and moving forward is understanding that and because that gives you a different mindset when dealing with people also, and then in that sense too, it's like I'm the one with the personal rapport with the client in those cases and all those cases, and the thing is like you're both trying to get a product and a lot of times that I find it's just Things happen, things they're kind, inevitably happen, it's just of course you know I was dealing with something today on an edit that's blowing my mind, but it's besides.
Victor Miranda:The point is just, things happen and then it causes delays or this or that, which of course is hard to explain to a client half the time, because they don't understand the ins and outs of you know, something, just an export taking two days and then I think I thought you finished the edit.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, I did, but the computers having its issues. I don't know why this one frame doesn't want to be not stuck. I don't know. I'm obviously not going to give you something jittery, so I'm trying to figure it out right, and sometimes with computers it takes a long time. But that's like one of many things that, like we as professionals industry run into.
Victor Miranda:And you know those kinds. They're experts in their field, so they only have that, the reference, and sometimes it's not a technical field, you know they. They have technicality involved in their field, so they're very smart, but it's like they don't know anything about our world in that sense where the experts in it which is why they're working with us and in that same sense it's understanding that you You're not doing you like they don't understand that you did anything wrong yet they just know it's delayed. But if you're coming to them and just being sympathetic and also just saying, hey, we experienced some setbacks and delay, but we are working on resolving them, mainly because we want to make sure we give you the best product possible and it's just not ready yet.
Derlis A Chavarria:You make it sound so nice.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, and but see, that's what.
Derlis A Chavarria:I can't be angry at you already.
Victor Miranda:That's the disescalation, you know, because they're coming ready to fight, or, like you know, because they they deal you with like any other employee half the time you know they're like. They see you as like another employee. Right, You're not, but I just understanding where they're coming from. And then just people Can't stay angry when you're only responding with respect and kindness.
Victor Miranda:That's very hard because longer they stay like they're trying to be an aggressor. And they're trying because sometimes People here in America too, it's like. Sometimes you get this culture of like, if I'm emotional and I can get you emotional, then I can justify a refund, or I can justify whatever you know, or I can justify you Like if I turn you into a victim, then you can just like oh, I'm so sorry, I'll do this, I'll do this, I'll do this.
Victor Miranda:customers always right, it's like you know, but like, if you never do that, the longer you prolong it, the right, easier they sounded themselves Very true but as, of course, you're not doing that maliciously, either You're not trying to like manipulate the situation, either you know you're just being honest and you're keeping a co-head now, this, I guess, is a outside question, but as society in United States, and like being victimized, do you think that's, uh, you know, an ongoing issue?
Derlis A Chavarria:or is that just a world issue? Human being issue?
Victor Miranda:I think it's a human being issue. I do think it manifests differently Depending where you are culturally and society. I think on a base level there was a very interesting study my wife showed me once, but it talks about a cycle that people go through in arguments when it's a triangular cycle. You got your victim, your aggressor.
Victor Miranda:A triangle cycle like I know, but it's a triangle, and then there's like the you know I forgot what the third one's like the judge or so. It's like you tend to you and in a given argument, if you're unaware, you can actually flip the roles consistently. An argument, okay, first you're like you're the accuser, you're the aggressor, right the abuser, in a sense. You know, tackling someone about something right turns that person into a victim. The victim, you know, receives and this and that, but then eventually can like turn. It can get flipped during the conversations depending on the words being thrown back, especially Because then it's like the cruiser can be like no, I'm being angry because I'm the victim here, you know.
Victor Miranda:And and and there, because then it starts flipping it. But it was really like non-progressive, you on a cycle and it just hurts everyone's feelings you know, but I think like that all comes from Self-awareness, self-development.
Victor Miranda:I think, like In society in general, human like, at least here in America, mental health and self-awareness is becoming more of. Thankfully, it seems like it's becoming more of a thing that people should be focusing on and investing in, you know, to develop themselves and just learn about how they operate Versus how other people operate, because no two people really operate the same way. We are very experienced, our brains are backwards, but we work well together because of that. Yeah, and it's understanding that it's like the second you start thinking that People think exactly how you think and that, like this is obvious. This is how it goes. It's super plain and clear. But it's like everyone in the world, nobody has the same experiences as you. This is only like, for example, you could say a spongebob quote and you can have somebody who's never seen spongebob before who hasn't seen spongebob before, though?
Victor Miranda:Yeah, I know right, I know.
Derlis A Chavarria:I feel sorry for them Like exactly.
Victor Miranda:And then a little other concert Band was from Britain and they were like no idea, what are you guys are talking about, right, yes, but like that happens. So it's like you know, we forget that very easily, right, just think like, oh, I had this experience when I was five years old. It's such a. It was a developmental thing. So obviously everyone else developed the same way.
Victor Miranda:No, there's people who grew up on farms versus people grew up in the inner city, like they had different lives and learn very different lessons. So it's like it's not obvious, but that's when you like, when you understand how you work and then you can kind of start to understand of how other people work, right and this, and that it's like you become less angry because you're almost feel like, wow, how do you not know that basic thing? Like that. It's so insulting to me, like you, literally you can't be that stupid, like that's what I think, but it's not that they're stupid. It's like, oh wait, wow, that's very interesting. You never actually learned that, okay, so it's like that action you just did to me that was completely inconsiderate to that fact. It's because you're just plain unaware.
Derlis A Chavarria:So in this stance of self development, what does a filmmaker, Aside from you, know? A personal like understanding of human nature? What should a filmmaker develop on? I mean, that's not from techniques, obviously.
Victor Miranda:I mean you could take it from two sides. There's the business side, because the better you learn people and the better you learn yourself, the better you'll be in sales calls, the more confident you'll be in yourself and Presenting your value, because as filmmakers, we have, we hold, a ton of value. We, you know. We are open and value down. Yeah, yeah, like you know, our assets are huge in today's era, especially with social media and everything like video stuff.
Victor Miranda:It's like that's quintessential content is just running one video on the Super Bowl makes a company millions of dollars, you know. So it's. It's all very traceable. There are case studies, you can lean on stuff, but that all comes from you, knowing that you are in the same field and you can provide the same products, mm-hmm, and in the same sense. On the opposite side, we're storytellers. How can you be a good storyteller if you don't understand human emotion, how people will interact, what you're trying to make your audience feel like from a video like take a 15 second, a 5 second, 30 second ad and by Enduring by the end of the ad, you're just feeling the story, you're feeling sympathy or you're laughing hysterically like there's emotions involved. Or you ever see like a clip and you're, like you related Just instantaneously to it. You know, and that comes from an understanding of people and situations and a good movie, you know, gets you a good movie takes you into another world, like you are in that world.
Derlis A Chavarria:Any good movies that you couldn't like think of that represent that to your best feeling of just like you. Oh, wow, this movie touched me in. For what reason?
Victor Miranda:That's a hard question. There's a lot of like, is it?
Derlis A Chavarria:doing it is for me the last question. Pick up the last movie. I mean yeah yeah the closest one to you.
Victor Miranda:I think Movies that like give me that like immersion effect.
Derlis A Chavarria:I would say Good time for it.
Victor Miranda:There was one good one. You know it's ironic as I don't really remember the movie that well, but I remember the feeling.
Derlis A Chavarria:I think that's that Maya Angelou quote. At that point like where you don't remember the details.
Victor Miranda:But, like, I know, like for me it always pops in my head when this question comes up. It was called Red lights, I believe, with Robert De Niro and ceiling and Murphy. Yeah, I don't think I've seen that one. Yeah, it was. I remember the synopsis is basically some music, a magician, magic, okay, a magician, and and then there was just this big Flip towards it. But I just remembered it's one of those kind of like you don't like that. The twists like threw you off, like you never saw that coming for the second, you saw the twist. Everything that happened right before that twist makes sense, made sense in a completely different way. Like you, everything in the story made sense, going in one direction, but once the twisted, it twisted the entire story. For me, hmm, I just I just remember that. I really don't remember, like the details outside of that.
Victor Miranda:But I just remember how I'm feeling and I just remember every time this question comes up. For some reason, that's a movie that keeps popping in my head. I don't think it's a movie many people have seen either.
Derlis A Chavarria:I mean like, since it's out right now, obviously you and I have yet to see the spider-man across the spider-verse. I've heard very good but we'll go back to the Inter entered the spider-verse. I'm sure you've seen the, the first one, yeah and we all like we all enjoyed that movie.
Derlis A Chavarria:It was amazing and if you haven't seen it yet, too bad spoilers, just letting you know right now. But I got such an attachment from that movie just to see a representation of an Afro-Latino Spider-man come into the mix on top of that. Just like how he became spider-man with his uncle passing like just I, I, I cried just just seeing that scene. I'm sure you remember the prowler when he found out, like but did you know that they changed? You know that entire story of Miles Morales, like like his uncle was actually an asshole in the comic books, comparably to you know, the movie where he was a guiding force to him. Yeah, the cop, yeah, well, the dad was a cop.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah, uncle was working for Kingpin and whatever, but you know yeah, he ended up, just like you know, refusing to do the job and that's what ended up killing him. So that drove the guiltiness that you know inspires a lot of spider-man's in every universe, just because, if you understand how much guilt they, they, it's just like a backbone to them. It's just a guilt. We got all this power and we're great. Power comes in responsibility and now you're just so in tune with like even that quote, you know, yeah, and like it just it's a, it clicks right into you of just like what it is, you know.
Victor Miranda:I mean, speaking is funny enough. Speaking to that quote, though that Does apply to us too, you know, on a smaller scale, like being spider-man is one of the most powerful in the Marvel, comments like like his Strength in the comics at least are like it's insanity how strong he actually is. Oh yeah, she actually holds back.
Derlis A Chavarria:Because he doesn't want to hurt any like yeah he's very Conscious because he doesn't he has.
Victor Miranda:He's a good soul, you know. He's just also a bit clumsy with his decision-making.
Derlis A Chavarria:Which is what inevitably ends up happening with, with half of his stories, you know, but um, I think that's part of like the, the, why people are able to relate, exactly because we're all just human and we try to do right and sometimes it comes out wrong, and then we try to correct the things that we.
Victor Miranda:That's that's one thing I appreciate about the movies like the DC and the Marvel movies is that, like the criticism of, like most comic book movies in the day, is that they're unrelatable because they take them very straight from the comics and, especially like the older comics, they're just like, you know, superman, superman, there's no problems at all. You know he goes on these days.
Victor Miranda:a friend of mine hates Superman, yeah because he's like he's such a golden boy, yeah, but but then in the movies, if you saw man and Steel and stuff like that it's like they're really like well, at least for the movies, trying to even humanize them more and understand that they're Humans, like human flawed, even if they're technically aliens or whatever they are, but that they still have, like you know, they have that's the common like weaknesses. None of them are perfect beings. You know they have some deal with addiction, some deal with this and that narcissistic personalities and you got some are like very anxiety-prone, imposter syndrome, like you see, all that transpired in different ones of them.
Derlis A Chavarria:You know, of course, and you also start to see that the guilt and the gravitas of the situation now, with that Said, is that what you aspire to do in in your future, to make not a Marvel film, obviously I mean, if you want to, obviously it's not nothing wrong with that but something of the sort of just like an action, like Film, because I know I've spoken to you and then that's been one of your goals.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, something that I saw. So Bigger film sets, as I've come to learn, they also have a Acting, an action director, like an action DP, which is separate from the, the regular, the main DP of the story.
Victor Miranda:Okay, and some movies that are have a big action base. They actually have a separate camera crew dedicated to that. That are specialized in that, with their own DP cinematographers and everything that is separate from the primary DP of the film. They collaborate. But for the action scene specifically, they're specialized cinematographers in that and I remember seeing on behind the scenes of the second, not the golden circle.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
Victor Miranda:On the second one of that, there was an interview with the action DP for that film. Okay, and I'm talking about that and all that specialization and I Mean I love all that stuff. I'm I'll have a martial arts background as well and so that.
Derlis A Chavarria:But like I didn't know that, different creativity in.
Victor Miranda:That too is like I Mean I don't know I just it's also just kind of like a fun thing to think about. I also always had like a partial interest.
Victor Miranda:I do want to get back into martial arts eventually, but like even thought about like maybe I can just go do stuff work for a while, like figure out, see if I can do it, just have fun, any particular martial arts that you want to jump into my background's in Kempo and I did a little bit of Taekwondo in Jujitsu, but I Think I would want to like dive into If I had to pick something to study, probably like another type of mixed martial art or maybe even like kung fu or something like that. Mma or yeah, probably like something like that.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah, just to mix it all together and just see whatever effect goes into it. Interesting Aside from Martial arts. Well, actually, this will go along with martial arts. It'll be the discipline that takes. You know, that's one of the things that I enjoy about martial arts is that it truly allows you to understand that, yo, this is not One day and then you can do back flips or anything like that. And this relates back to filmmaking, where a lot of people is like one YouTube video or have a drone and now I can just like no.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah, like my goodness, bro, how many times I've heard that is just a little, it does Poke, it gets me angry, it does get my blood boiling, just because a lot of people mistake the idea that you know, just because you have something, or like Now you're a cinema cinematographer. Yeah, yeah so what do you think it takes to to really hone in and become one instead of, just like you know, labeling yourself?
Victor Miranda:Yeah, I think. Well, one thing we can talk about is the difference between a videographer and a cinematographer. The one definition that I've heard that I like that simplifies it really is a videographer captures what's happening. You know, that's typically like wedding stiff and things like that, like you're capturing, you know, that's just what's there and that's just camera work, you know a cinematographer Creates what they capture, because the cinematographer controls the lighting, controls the sound, like they.
Victor Miranda:It's not just the camera work, but it's Everything involved that's happening in front of the camera. So it's like think about a wedding. You know wedding cinematographers and videographers most of videographers, just whatever happening today but as wedding cinematographer, they're bringing lights. In addition, you know they are staking things.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah okay, that was gonna go into my next question. I was just because you mentioned that. Who is Matt Johnson? I Gotta think that man he's, he's helped us out. Yeah, in so many ways love them. So I would consider him a wedding cinematographer, because he knows his lighting and he sets up shots correctly. He's in control.
Victor Miranda:Of course he's a hundred percent.
Derlis A Chavarria:There's nothing wrong with a videographer there's not. If you're a videographer, that's fine, but I just see him separate. Obviously then the regular of most wedding videographers, where they're just like you know. You know, even if they do set up just a light, they don't understand what they're doing.
Victor Miranda:But you also got to understand for Matt. Yes, what is this? His main thing? Mm-hmm. But he doesn't just do weddings. He has his YouTube, he has his courses. I'm sure he does other things in addition to that, but like he is a business owner fundamentally, you know, and growing, and I'm sure he's already developed Teams for his weddings to to an extent, you know right.
Derlis A Chavarria:With that being said, what it has been, some of your favorite projects that's come this year Because, guys, just to let you know, this is also halfway mark for us to have this studio, you know. So this is a big event for us, you know, to reach what we have reached and we're so grateful to be here. I've done a lot of projects, bow, I know sort of my favorites. What are yours?
Victor Miranda:That's a that's a great question, yeah no, first of all, I know, I know, I know, like I said, my hosting job might be in jeopardy, guys, but but no, well, first I just say we're proud of us and the team is definitely a group effort, is not alone to like maintain Everything that we maintain the last six months, especially since we both pretty much went full-time last August, last September August, you know. So To make it this far is good for any business, you know. And no, yeah, like we've been very fortunate, I loved. There was a couple things. I did a Conference in the beginning of the year, which was that of resort Orlando for a big event, mm-hmm, which was great, that one I flew solo on and just a lot of running gun Would you have to do? Oh, actually, no, I take that back, that's okay, it's just an event highlight.
Derlis A Chavarria:So tell us what you I'll tell you to.
Victor Miranda:There was one that I went to Hawaii for, oh Okay, and then in this last one, that a series of videos I did for the, for a local art museum. So the Hawaii one was an incentive strip held by a major company for their top performers. So, and one of those top performers, they run a organization that's Developed utilizing this other companies, products and different things, and so and I work with them, they're one of my clients and so when they were invited out, I Went out and so this way I can create a recap video in the sense to, because for them, they use these videos to incentivize their other performers and their other sales agents.
Victor Miranda:And and different people in their organization, because this is the stuff that's available to them as well. You know so, you know with typical marketing stuff. So that was in.
Derlis A Chavarria:Hawaii. Could you break that down a little bit further? Just cuz I'm, I'm. So they're doing marketing for themselves or for so they run an educational platform.
Victor Miranda:Okay for entrepreneurs and the online space.
Victor Miranda:All right, all right, so that's how Continue on, sorry and so and they specialize in a specific company's product line so that company with their product line. They have multiple organizations that that use their product line, their manufacturer, and, and so they always take the top performers who are distributors for them to on these different incentive strips around the world. They're multi-billion dollar company, massive, so they have money to blow and they treat their and they treat their top performers very well, being that my clients one of these top performers. So, yeah, so we go.
Victor Miranda:I saw I was thrown out, went on the incentives trip with them and I didn't get the hundred percent, but I mean I was there, I was in white, you know, and got the tag along. I went handheld the whole time. Yeah, because I was gonna be carrying around a ronin For this, you know, I had it with me just in case, but I ended up just because it's getting into the cars and in and out of cars and this and that. So I was like, okay, I'll go handheld. I worked up the Sony and in the whole time I shot most of it in 120, because I know I'm just doing a recap, don't really have too much talking head stuff.
Victor Miranda:I did do some interviews there for different, different pieces of content while I was there, because we had access to a lot of top performing speakers there too. So we were saying, oh hey, they have personal connections, let's get some more content with these people, right, you know? And yeah, it's just a lot of fun. It was a crazy experience, I, I so. And then one fun part, though, is we went to Kahlua Ranch and From. I didn't know this, but this is where they filmed Jurassic Park. All like most of the Jurassic Park films, they film Magnum PI. They filmed a Journey to the center of Earth. The journey.
Derlis A Chavarria:Oh yeah, with the rock.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, they filmed Skull Island Kong, do you think, do you?
Derlis A Chavarria:think the rock brings them back to Hawaii to film that Like, particularly because he's a wine too. Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure you know he has some say, but like, right like.
Victor Miranda:I mean I think even the Fast and Furious movie took Partially placed in Hawaii, not the new one that came out, but the one where he was involved in the first time.
Derlis A Chavarria:Okay, you know. Apparently he's coming back to the series.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, I'm sure yeah, money. You know family never dies.
Derlis A Chavarria:All right, that's gonna be on. His grave stood right there, yeah right family.
Victor Miranda:But, um, yeah, no, it was a lot of fun, but it was like you know. It's also understanding there. I was there to do a job, so I wasn't trying to overstep at any point. I was making sure that I maximized my time and it gave a moment to, because I was only there for a set amount of days. So I, you know, I was taking initiative, organizing the people I need to speak to so they didn't fine, I didn't do this for you.
Derlis A Chavarria:Well, you had to figure out everything for them for the most part, like they had there.
Victor Miranda:They had the plan because they were also they weren't in charge of the itinerary, hmm, and it's kind of like one of those trips where each Individual can almost do whatever they want to do right, so I had that.
Derlis A Chavarria:Sounds like such a headache already.
Victor Miranda:Where the key people were right. I had people initially who were helping me with the initial logistics, so we had a base plan, but still I needed to take the initiative to make sure that I was getting the key people that I needed to get. Of course, that I was capturing like, oh hey, can you remind me when you guys are leaving for this excursion so I could hop on with you guys this and that? Right? I remember a Funny moment that kind of describes this is that they weren't sure if they were gonna be able to get me into the welcome party At all. Wait, they weren't they weren't sure I'm, there.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah, they were welcome party, like where, like where they were hosting like a big dinner and outside hosting.
Victor Miranda:They can not. They weren't the ones hosting.
Victor Miranda:Oh right, this is so I'm like so it was a little a bit of an undercover thing, but it was funny. So I, I just like I Basically we kind of won it and it was like I was trying to think it's like, you know, I'm just gonna, I see people walking, no one's checking anything for a say, so I'm just gonna, yeah, go. And I remember walking with my camera, like off to the side, you know, holding it by the handle, and I'm trying to stick to some form a group of people, mm-hmm and and just going. And I remember passing some staff right before the entrance and I remember hearing as I walked past them Next thing I know I hear it, hey and it said I was like in my direction, I just was like, I just didn't, I just kept moving, I just like.
Derlis A Chavarria:That's not to me, that's not to me.
Victor Miranda:I was like yeah, I heard a hey, yeah, you. And I was like I was like not me, I kept going walking.
Derlis A Chavarria:I didn't come up, or anything like this or that.
Victor Miranda:And I walked in and I remember seeing the main guy who hired me, a client. He's at the buffet table getting himself food. I'm like, hey, I made. He's like oh, you made it in great.
Derlis A Chavarria:So they didn't come up to you or anything after they were like now they weren't worried.
Victor Miranda:He's a very chill dude.
Derlis A Chavarria:No, no, not him.
Victor Miranda:I'm talking about nobody nobody on staff and I started to make friends with there. There was a. There was an another production company there and full-fledged production company that was working for the, the main company who is hosting everything. So they had, like all access pass and like their rigs were, they had Every guy was on a ronin, every guy had a different millimeter prime lens on it, so you had one guy dedicated on the 35, one guy dedicated on an 85, on the 100 and then on a 50, you know, and so there love it, I love it.
Victor Miranda:Oh, I love it too. That's goals.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah, you know the full, you know the big oh yeah the one, and m yeah no, I know that so Um so yeah, that was cool to see, so I started talking to them, asking them questions.
Victor Miranda:I'm there with my little handheld, but you know people love the video afterwards, so that was just like I feel like that saved you a lot, though, just because it was a handheld and it wasn't done, you know, because it wouldn't.
Derlis A Chavarria:Once you bring out the ronin and you bring out something bigger, then they started like hey, like yo, uh, are you supposed to be doing that here?
Victor Miranda:Where's your pass? Right like a new part of this production company.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah, that's why I love the sony ason s3.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, I mean I had like the v-mount attached to the side of it.
Derlis A Chavarria:Oh, okay, and it's shotgun mic.
Victor Miranda:So it's like a little rigged out but, um, kind of looks like how it looks like now with the monitor and everything, okay, uh, but yeah no, I kept it simple and it's just I feel like I was supposed to be there and uh, no, and it worked out and I got into everything pretty much and it's all fun. The ranch was just cool to see. You know, it was in the and it was an atv, it was a utv utility vehicle, oh, so it's like a, basically like a tricked out golf cart I would love for us it's like a heavy thing.
Derlis A Chavarria:So we were going through.
Victor Miranda:It was so bumpy though.
Derlis A Chavarria:Oh, was it? Because I was about to say, just like, have the ronin and then just be in the back and then just take like A tracking shot backwards. Think about it.
Victor Miranda:You see, like in Jurassic Park it's like fields and just dirt roads. That's what we were driving through. But it was cool to see that they leave a lot of props there. Like there was a triceratops skull like full life size there and they had like the like the, the bone yard scene from skull island. There you can see like the heads of the, the old Kongs and stuff. Like they left, they left movie props there. There was, like if you watch magnum pi, that like burnt down house there.
Victor Miranda:Oh so and they had the sign saying like what it was. And then one other cool fact I learned between went up to this ridge where we saw this like it just looks like a normal little lake, right, and then the guide was telling us how in Jurassic World, that little lake you see, that's the water stadium where that big water fish comes and eats the shark that you saw, that white shot.
Victor Miranda:He says like the white shot is of that lake, and they did everything in post, everything you saw, the entire park was Built on top of that. And then they were like you know what, let's take those mountains over there and move them over here. And like, yeah, and he was. I was just like thinking about like that's insane. And then also, right in that same lake Is a little pier and that's where they shot 51st States.
Derlis A Chavarria:Oh nice, yeah, I love that movie. Yeah, it's like a little that little pier.
Victor Miranda:You know where they they spend like all their first dates. Yeah, of course.
Derlis A Chavarria:So it was also right down there, so it's like it was just a cool for me as a filmmaker, if I get to make a film, that's probably one of the spots I want to go to, just just to get a vacation Plus that'll be a company vacation down the line so now that you've spoken about that, what's the second Project that you were just like in love with?
Victor Miranda:Yeah, the second that I really enjoyed is this recent project I did for For this art museum local right here Um doing, we did a series. Well, we started out with a series of. It's going to be eventually about 30 videos give or take, depending on artists availability. So, like this first part was, for example, this first part was supposed to be, I think, 12 videos. We ended up doing only eight of the artists.
Derlis A Chavarria:Oh, so are you gonna go back to it, or?
Victor Miranda:so it depends. Some of the artists delay, some of them just flat out decline. So I was like you know, it's what. It is fair enough, but it's. It was a mix of going to their studios and capturing. So I kind of like that on the go, dealing with what I have in front of me and making things work and creating In the moment you have some good lights and you know how to shoot.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah, thank you.
Victor Miranda:So it's like that that's a big fun because it's it keeps you easy, like, yeah, doing studio work, we're in the studio all the time. That's just a different type of fun. Yeah, that's a different.
Derlis A Chavarria:I really do enjoy, way more than you know, events. I I mean I, there is a certain love for events that I have, but unfortunately, like, what I've realized is just the true love that I have is just like planning a shot out, rather than like, yeah, I'm going to this event, I'm taking a bunch of shots and then I'm just putting it all together and then praying it works out.
Victor Miranda:I mean, it's so funny. That's another way we differ. I'm like I Struggle with the pre-pro. The pre-pro is a struggle for me. It's like you know, making a shot list this and that, like my pre-pro is a Google note, that I'm like making bullet points right, you know Real quick. I like okay, this is like the basic things, make sure I stay on track and like make sure I get the things that are essential, you know, and this and that, of course, but I, I live for, like my creativity just like opens right up when I'm in the moment I need to make this happen. It's like okay, what am I?
Derlis A Chavarria:what's the vision? Against the wall, like what I'm trying to make happen.
Victor Miranda:It's like, okay, my brain I fly like, and you see me like in the moment. It's like, okay, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do this and this and that, right like. Until I'm in that position, none of those juices are flowing right away, so I'm just like in pre-pro. Look at it like okay, let me make a shot list that I struggle with that. But once I'm like in it, I see it, my brain starts doing the calculations. Like I feel like that me, where all the calculations are flying through my oh, yeah, yeah, of course, like from Zaka.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah, yeah, Rainman, yeah yeah you know, it's strange when for me it's, it's, I guess, like I only get questions in my mind with that, where I'm just like where are we shooting it? What are we doing? How are we doing this? Like, how many people are gonna be? What's the idea behind this? Like I start asking those questions that way it reveals to me, like any boundaries that I read like Once I have a boundary, then I know like, okay, let me work within that boundary. Yeah, like that way it's like I can't bring a giant softbox with me because it's on the beach or whatever it is, and it's just like it's gonna blow away. Okay, so what is the limitations and what I can work with? But that's just how I.
Victor Miranda:Well, you know it's funny, it's because I ask all the same questions beforehand. I think it's for me it comes out a little more naturally in conversation, like I asked them For the same reasons, but maybe not the same intent, and to say that it's like and Like, like the way you're saying you're asking them very specifically because you're thinking technically what do I need to bring?
Derlis A Chavarria:What do I need to do to accomplish? The less I bring, the better for me and my back.
Victor Miranda:You know and and that's totally valid. For me it's more like, okay, I'm not thinking at all what I need to bring yet. I'm only thinking about like, okay, what are the things that will impact the gig and the vision? And I know that I need to know, you know and Because, and then I'll take. I'm always the I overpacked, typically most of the time, I agree for that reason, you know, I'm grateful that you do every time.
Victor Miranda:Thank you. Thank you, but at the same time. So it's like it's just again different way of thinking, you know, yeah, yeah, I don't think it's a right or wrong.
Derlis A Chavarria:So those are your two projects that you enjoyed so much, and now let me ask this year yeah yeah, on top of the interview, shooting it around, did you have to come up with any questions or anything else for them? Or was that just for?
Victor Miranda:this one I did not. The curator, who was the exhibition it was for, was with me and she's the one who had. She had a direct mission of what you wanted to ask the artist and what they bring it out, but it was more of a conversation between them, right, and then I. It was up to me to Bring down those interviews into concise Five to ten minute videos, but they were like 20 to 50 minute interviews 20 to 50 minute interviews?
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah, and did you mean you had to cut it down?
Victor Miranda:Yeah, my initial goal is bringing down to like three minutes, but that wasn't happening.
Derlis A Chavarria:Fair enough, they. They got that knowledge. You know I gotta share it, but in that I guess how you were shooting it. Let me ask you, what was your? You had to have like something like Premeditated, like when you go inside every, every time, cuz like you did show me them. And one of the things I didn't notice which I loved and I'd love anybody that does this shoot to the corners. Shoot to the corners, like Right in the corner. Oh, yes, yes, that maximum depth, yes always.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, I mean, I guess it's like anyone, you learn, you pick up things as you go and you understand what you like. One thing I like, and I guess I find is a creative challenge, is how do I create the maximum amount of depth with the space that I have available. No right you know, because I think it's just, it's a great look when a scene has like depth and especially when there's leading lines.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yes, you know, yes, absolutely, and an interesting background.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, exactly, you know. Or like, if it's not interesting, how can you make it interesting? Or like, hide the stuff that you don't want people to see?
Derlis A Chavarria:like or how do you make somebody pop out Exactly on top of that because you had you lit it out beautifully. Obviously, all them were one light. There you go. That goes to show. But a powerful light I'm sure, not just some measly like oh I just bought this, you know, at Home Depot, or something like that, with a softbox. I'm gonna see, yeah, yeah.
Victor Miranda:It was. I believe, is this my 48 above us? It is. So is this softbox and the that JVM 300 watt, I think okay, yeah, yeah.
Derlis A Chavarria:No, it came out beautifully in that, but one of the other things that I feel people don't take into account is a wardrobe.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, yeah, that comes back and forth and it's also, like you know, that's part of our responsibility to help inform the clients right.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, and because most people don't understand that, like, when you're going for a video, there's a lot of different rules that are happening that you're probably unaware of. For example, contrast is a typical one, but, like, if you're wearing a black shirt and the background so happens to be black, you all of a sudden turn into a floating head because, even though you can look at the like with your eyes, oh yeah, you like with their eyes.
Victor Miranda:You see the oh. I see the person standing in front of the black brown room with a black shirt and it's very easily distinguishable in horrible lighting. Like, what's the problem? Cameras are not as good as our eyes, as as amazing as they are. They're just not. And we're color grading everything. If you really want things to pop and this and that, when you have the same color back to back, they will blend or like even in the same row, dark color on dark, you're not gonna pop as a subject. If you start looking at different Symmetography and film, especially commercials, you'll notice that like light colors on a dark background or Dark colors on a light background makes the character and really separates you, you know, and there's obviously in between.
Victor Miranda:and then there's obvious creative choices you can make where it makes sense to do the opposite, right, but I'll break the rule for whatever reason exactly, but, like in most cases, that's what you want you know one.
Derlis A Chavarria:One of the scenes and this is from a cartoon that I loved when they broke this rule was Samurai Jack. Oh yeah yeah, one of the best shows I've ever seen. The creators just, you know. Powerpuff Girls, dexter's laboratory.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah, he just he just goes down the list. But one of the scenes that I loved was Samurai Jack came into confrontation with a ninja and in it it was like he basically hid in the white, like he dressed up in white and the ninja wasn't in the black but the white was. Like how they did that was so incredible, because you kind of only see the sliver of his eyes and then it sort of got lost in it, yeah, and in the white, in the dark, and then they were just clashing in between that as the, as the darkness was starting to swallow the light, yeah, and so he was running out of space to you know, hide into, in, in his yeah, there was a lot of artistic metaphors happening in there.
Victor Miranda:Yeah yeah.
Derlis A Chavarria:So it was just very, for, even as a kid, when I watched that show, I was just like blown away by just the choice that they did and how they created that scenery. I was just like, whoa, yeah, you know, like I agree, yeah, yeah, one of the other things that I wanted to ask you because it's it's been what, six months since we started this, in a year since we we've opened up this studio is some of the initial Investments that you've made into this equipment based what has been your favorites, what has been your least favorites, that you've been like this was a waste. This has been such a game changer for me, like whether it's software, whether it's just you know hardware or you know like things that you would. I wish I could buy another one of these.
Victor Miranda:That's good. I Think that's a good question and recently, in this past year, yeah, just this year, this year.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yes, this is my lifetime. Sorry, buddy.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would say One mm-hmm, which is is a simple one, female batteries.
Derlis A Chavarria:Oh, I do love them.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, they, they definitely like. Not having the hotspot anymore is a is a blessing. Yeah, you know. I didn't know that I have you know, even when I did these long conferences, like I'll run that beam out Empty in one day. But yeah, my poor camera, I work it to the bone, you know. So that's one Another I would say. Another thing I'm grateful for is that that meant photo tripod.
Derlis A Chavarria:Oh, yeah, I mean we still use it. Yeah, I bought one just because of yours.
Victor Miranda:I still, yeah, I still run into it. It's like there is Nothing that replaces a good, fluid head for tracking.
Derlis A Chavarria:But the thing that I love about this one, I forgot which, what, what, what it's called? Is it a five or one? What, what is it? Well, whatever the name of it is, yeah, it's just the. The reason why I had to buy yours was because of just that the center pole, yeah, yeah, where you could just raise it up versus, versus the, the counterintuitive.
Derlis A Chavarria:Like I love how the other tripods are built too, but like just that. You can just like oh, I just need this little bit of raised instead of messing with the legs and raising it up. That has been such a game changer for me as well, just like when I take it to other gigs, like corporate gigs. Oh yeah, saves me so much time because save you space yeah.
Derlis A Chavarria:But just like how people are so impatient in those seconds of just like I need to move all these legs, it just doesn't work, like you know. Just me raising it up, unfortunately, you know it's funny.
Victor Miranda:It's like these are some simple pieces of equipment but and they're a little on the pricier side, you know, there's like a couple hundred for each of these types of piece of equipment, like the tripod itself. That's a $500 tripod, of course, but it it just it makes a hell of a difference, because I remember I used to always think to it's like I can get one for like 60 bucks. You know, you know they're like, they're cheap, they're inexpensive.
Victor Miranda:I'm not really making money but it's like you know it's it is. It's a weird night and day experience where it's like you don't know until you know a type of thing, but it makes a heck of a difference. And then I could say that about a lot of gear in here. You know, just getting better lights has been a great improvement, Getting a real good on-camera shotgun mic.
Victor Miranda:Where I'm that's and has a Heiser that I have it's beautiful and and the fact that I can be in post and I'll listen to that and I'm like, actually I'll take this over the lapel. The roads, yeah, but even the roads having internal recording that such a save, a lifesaver, yeah tell the people how you need to have redundancy you need done in seas. On redundancy redundancy is like man no it because it happens too often.
Derlis A Chavarria:If you have one, Like one dedicated recording point, it's like if that goes for whatever reason and it does Happens, it's not of like, and I love your quote when it comes down to this it's not, it won't happen, it's. It's not about if it happens, is about when it happens, thank you, thank you, love that quote.
Victor Miranda:And it's like, for example good example is those roadmikes Because the first iteration didn't have it, I'm so happy, the second did, and now so many have followed suit, like the DJI's version and different Holly and I's version. I think too that with the internal recording, I've had so many times that I have the recording going into camera, but two things are happening. What's going into camera? It's going through the cameras, internal preamp.
Derlis A Chavarria:And they do great.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, there's shit, unfortunately, and Secondly, what's happening also is sometimes you open up the world to wireless interference, which I'm very familiar of, right, and you can have a perfect recording camera and that's great to have. But then age, see, you know, in the middle of the guy's talking in camera, you hear that you or that's you know sound, of course, and uh, but with internal recording you can just pop that in and replace that part, replace the whole thing and and thank goodness for road.
Derlis A Chavarria:They actually stepped up on top of that where they Now. You just plug into the Computer into the road and it works as a rocket.
Victor Miranda:It works as an interface to now. Oh, like you can take the road the receiver. Yeah, plug a USB C into your computer. Your zoom over will recognize it. Oh, bs will recognize it as an audio input. Lovely and then you put into that.
Derlis A Chavarria:So let me ask you these are things that you've loved as a purchase. What is something that you can put like this was a waste of money?
Victor Miranda:Yeah oh man, I am slowly starting to feel like that about the drone. Ah, I am. I am not only because it's just like it. I think it's still valuable and I think we will get the value out of it, because when we do use it it's great. Yeah, it looks fantastic. It's just the amount of that we're using it. I feel like it's less and less and less and less as we're going, as we're going further.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, I feel like maybe it's one of those things that it drops and then we're gonna get to this level of client that it's just gonna go back up.
Derlis A Chavarria:Maybe. Yeah, no Fingers about that.
Victor Miranda:So because it's like you know, we're doing more things, things that require an aerial Right, and I know people that, hey, people make entire livings and just being a drone pilot, of course. So it's not the knock, it's just for our use cases. It's a it's a very expensive paperweight that doesn't leave the studio very, very often. Outside of that, I mean, there's been like no trinkets that I've gotten that were like for my cannon. There are different things that like little stepping stone things that were good in the moment.
Victor Miranda:Mm-hmm and then a second you advance the primary piece of gear. It's like, okay, I don't need this anymore. You know Mm-hmm. So it's not that I regret buying them. It's like now they're just kind of obsolete because now we've advanced past them.
Derlis A Chavarria:You know we outgrew them, of course, yeah, so there's definitely, I feel, like Ways we could have spent better in the beginning, like of course, yeah, and that's something that we've and I've seen with you, like obviously you guys haven't seen, but you've guided a lot of Well, I'll say like this you mentored a lot of people within this industry and, from what I've seen, Appreciate that.
Derlis A Chavarria:Oh yeah, no, you, from business to technique, to equipment, to everything else, and in that stance of just like making sure that they had the proper Gear or the just the proper mentality, like I just want to ask, like what would you Preach to them or what would you just like encourage them to do, you know, yeah, so it's like what would I say that someone's starting out?
Derlis A Chavarria:well, not even starting out, just like out here, yeah, yeah, just like, because I think you you even talk to intermediates now, like, yeah, I feel like eventually you're gonna go into coaching, like you know, probably. Yeah, yeah, I feel like that's what the industry is as as a whole, like you become such a professional that eventually every you just turn into a coach, just because it's also a revenue now. So, yeah, I mean.
Victor Miranda:I personally. I personally, you know, love just helping imparting my experience and different things like that.
Victor Miranda:So, especially because you know people more talented than they think, half the time you know, but also realizing that you know talent won't take you so far, you know, of course, and, yeah, I think the biggest thing is Be humble enough to know that you should be self-educating at all times. Like you will never know everything. You will never know enough, like you need to just get on the train is like not just saying up to date with the latest tech, you know, that's like. I think that's like the catch 22. We can get so lost.
Victor Miranda:And looking at tech, Right, I was like oh, but this camera just came out and does 8k, 60 instead of 30 yeah, you know, and it's like you know and it's like it's getting like ridiculous and it's cool. I mean it's so cool. I mean the night comes new. You know, yeah, with the raw format that's crazy, but more so Getting down, making sure you have a grasp on the basics, like really have a grasp on it, getting experienced. Don't be afraid to get your your hands wet, experiment, experimenting and just trying things and then understand and value self-education.
Victor Miranda:You know there's a lot of great courses out there, some, yes, or more expensive, so we're not finding a mentor that really helps or someone in your field that's just like hey, he's working professionally. Let me at least try to pick a sprain and if you don't know anyone, like, don't be afraid to DM somebody that you respect, you know in the world, you, you'll be surprised how many people are likely to respond and but in, if not, that just hey, we all done in the beginning, you, to get self-educated. If you're young and School makes sense. You want to be more in the production house, maybe, but like school is really more. You want that certification, you want that specialization.
Victor Miranda:In my opinion, Network and networking is One of the crucial like that should be one of your priorities is get to know the right people, get those ins and industry. Those are one of those places to get that is from school and also chance to find a team that you like to work with too. You know those, those are the opportunities you get from that.
Derlis A Chavarria:If I'm from Mr Black, mr Mars black. Yeah, it was that, yeah, that's a watch that park watch that podcast great episode, yeah, all of them, just watch them all. All of them. Just watch them all.
Victor Miranda:But, and then the other side is equipment. I mean, I think, as long as you're hitting, you can't neglect like these three areas.
Victor Miranda:You know, yeah, you want to hit lighting, you want to hit audio and then also your visuals with your camera, you know. So I Mean nowadays, as long as your camera can do 4k and can do At least 60, I would say that covers most of your basis in most situations. You know, of course there's different price ranges even in that nowadays, but, and just understanding those things that will help you out most senses, you rather spend more money on a good lens to pair with your body, then something like that, if the budget's an issue. And then, and then lighting, you want at least one good, strong light, something definitely over a minimum of a hundred watts, and not a panel. No, no, panels are good for effects, but they're not a key light, they're not a primary light and you can make any C O B Into a panel like just by putting on the future.
Victor Miranda:Yeah, 100%, you know. So if you want something versatile, there's definitely on the lower end there's lights that have the RGB capabilities, stuff like that that Gives you a key light power. But you definitely want that power and one layer of diffusion, you know makes sense that.
Victor Miranda:So that'll be, and if you get that and then you also get one piece of good Audio gear. Be it like if you're doing a lot of talking heads, maybe something like a road or the DJI mic or some formal appell, or if you're doing a variety of that and other things like Big area stuff, then looking into on camera mics or shotgun mics.
Derlis A Chavarria:Yeah, as you're speaking, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be doing the editing to this, so I'm just gonna put cha-ching, cha-ching. Cash registers is going on Saying things yeah, yeah, it's just, it's only like a five thousand dollar investment, now seven thousand, but yeah, no biggie, yeah but I mean In any creative business, that's what it is.
Victor Miranda:I mean, if, as a so as a person who's like a serial creative, tell them, like in drumming, a drum set, pack to symbols, sticks, everything you need, you're spending, I I can't imagine you spending less than a thousand. Right, like, unless you get like an electric kit, that's like three hundred four hundred dollars, but like you want to gig out, you want to have like a real kit. You know it's like you're spending money. Of course, same thing like in photography you still have to buy a camera and everything. You have to buy a flash, this and that. Yes, there is definitely ways to build that stuff up and if you get one of the core three, I Realistically think you can spend less than a thousand dollars. You know, I know, and if you're starting any creative field like this or any side hustle in general, I am a big advocate of sponsoring yourself, which what I mean by that is having your nine to five. Do not leave your job. Have your job, kids.
Victor Miranda:You heard of your first. All right, have a job that has a predictable schedule, not like rest, like yes, restaurants, stuff like that can be predictable. That's good money can't be but like having something with a predictable schedule, that where you can, on all your time off, you can do your side hustle or your creative venture, because that will help you sponsor your, your mission, and then you reinvest that money and then you let that grow till that income becomes greater than your 9 to 5, thus replacing it. Then you can leave it and then you can continue on. And that's what also is important to just start understanding Financial literacy, even if it comes down to like a zero-based budget which you can Google.
Victor Miranda:Mm-hmm so, and just having that Well, that would just help you in life in general, just learning how to zero-based budget. You know Fair enough fair enough.
Derlis A Chavarria:So, on that note, I think we will end the podcast here today. Victor, thank you so much for being the guest today and I will say you can find us at the vision maker podcast, youtube, instagram and Anything else that we you want to add your victory underscore vision maker. You know, find him there, so find me at. At Chavarria diarrhea Chronicles. No, excuse me. Chavarria diarrhea diary.
Victor Miranda:Well, thank you so much for having me on this podcast.
Derlis A Chavarria:It was such a pleasure.
Victor Miranda:It's such a long ride to get here. Yeah and yeah at Victor M On this core vision maker you can find me on Instagram one last thing.
Derlis A Chavarria:I got a shout out my mom's. She's out here.
Victor Miranda:She's just a monitoring and taking care of us, thank goodness shout out to all the moms out there holding us in our lives together, of course.
Derlis A Chavarria:All right guys, night Peace you.
